Curse

Darklord Chaos · Jul 01, 2005, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by Dreamsmith

Agreed! You have every right in the world to dislike 'em. You just have no right to prevent them from living the lives they choose.

I'm fine with people who oppose homosexuality. The problem comes when people like that try to abuse government to enforce their views on others, denying them their Liberty.

Cha-ching! Spot on!

Prince Daniel · Jul 01, 2005, 08:29 PM // 20:29

sorry you mean do i have a problem with say black people marrying white people? No i am totally against racism.

Principa Discordia · Jul 01, 2005, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by Prince Daniel

My views on homosexuality are not just from religion. The bible guides but is not the word of god.

The Bible has been your entire reason so far.

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Originally Posted by Prince Daniel

I dont think it is something that should we seen as normal, to be frank i dont want a gay son. The thought of two men together repulses me. The human body was not made for that, it is not usual and should be tolerated but not seen as right.

That's your opinion, an opinion not shared by everyone. By the way, animals engage in homosexuality, so the "it's not right/natural" reason is not good enough. Also, about the "I don't want a gay son", don't you think it's selfish that you're going to decide something like that for your son?

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Originally Posted by Prince Daniel

If people are gay they should keep it in private, public displays should be kept at a minumum.

Funny, some folks used to say the same thing about Jews, blacks, and women.

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Originally Posted by Prince Daniel

There is nothing worse than that, to be honest what makes me prejudice is the 'camp' people who make me want to beat them senseless. Crying and laughing and dancing around like little girls. They are men and should act like men, not just wimps.

I guess you also think that women should be in the kitchen, dainty and obedient, too? Please, regail us with your archaic ideas on masculinity and femininity.

Darklord Chaos · Jul 01, 2005, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

the "it's not right/natural" reason is not good enough.

Or...true...for that matter.

Prince Daniel · Jul 01, 2005, 08:34 PM // 20:34

Principa im sorry but i feel you are being a bit hostile to my opinions, i do not attack yours. We are animals so therefore other animals will be gay aswell, but a small minority. I know it is my opinion, i have not said otherwise. This is not about blacks, jews or women. Women can do whatever they want, they are as clever as men, i am not a sexist so please dont insult me.

Principa Discordia · Jul 01, 2005, 08:35 PM // 20:35

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Originally Posted by Prince Daniel

Principa im sorry but i feel you are being a bit hostile to my opinions, i do not attack yours. We are animals so therefore other animals will be gay aswell, but a small minority. I know it is my opinion, i have not said otherwise. This is not about blacks, jews or women. Women can do whatever they want, they are as clever as men, i am not a sexist so please dont insult me.

I'm not being hostile, I'm making counter points. This is where you reply and explain your reasoning, unless you have none, in which case move along and concession accepted.

TheBigStunna · Jul 01, 2005, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Can we say that the bible is really untrue? I mean they have proven historical places, events that hadent taken place yet. Jesus was a real person, that is undeniable. How can we really say the bible is not true? Homosexuality is a disease in my opionion because not one that is like aids but a defect in the brain that controls the sex thoughts and their sex preference.

Sofonisba · Jul 01, 2005, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Just on a side note, anyone can go to the alleged "all-homosexual" high school. It's just a progressive environment-yes, even fat and nerdy kids can go.

"Oh, horror of horrors! That means my kids will think being nerdy/fat/homosexual/tomboyish/whatever is ok! I would hate to see them well-adjusted and self-confident! I would want them to hate themselves!"

Cheers, Espana.

I have a firm belief that gay marriage in the US is inevitable. I even have become ordained to perform marriages--I promised my gay friends I would do the honors if they wanted.

Principa Discordia · Jul 01, 2005, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by TheBigStunna

Can we say that the bible is really untrue? I mean they have proven historical places, events that hadent taken place yet. Jesus was a real person, that is undeniable. How can we really say the bible is not true? Homosexuality is a disease in my opionion because not one that is like aids but a defect in the brain that controls the sex thoughts and their sex preference.

Nobody said that the Bible isn't true, we just said that not everyone follows it.

Serafita Kayin · Jul 01, 2005, 08:37 PM // 20:37

At this point, I coulld decisively end most of the arguments here with a few choice comments, all true, or I could realize that I'm not going to be heard if I don't follow the majority's opinion and choose to take a graceful exit. It's becoming rapidly evident that there is no place for a conservative in this thread, and most of the comments made by them are subject only to derision. In the interest of reducing further flames, I'm out.

TheBigStunna · Jul 01, 2005, 08:37 PM // 20:37

Ah to my other point, certian animals such as certain dogs are homosexual. It is proven that the only animals that enjoy sex are humans and dolphins. So do dogs that are homosexual like it because they like the other male dog? Or is it a genetic defect in their brain?

TheBigStunna · Jul 01, 2005, 08:38 PM // 20:38

Not every one follows the bible but most people that reside in the world take up catholic/christian beliefs more then any other religion. In the world and in catholic/christianism homosexuality is wrong and it is sodom and gamora.

Mistress Eyahl · Jul 01, 2005, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by TheBigStunna

So you dont find homosexuality a genetic disease in the brain? Not saying all homosexuals have it but the 100% been having homosexual tendancys at a very early age.

Actually I watched several documentaries on the issue. They were doing some tests with flys (pardon me if ANY of this offends anyone).
They were able to remove something in the body of the fly (DNA strand, gene.. whatever), and once they did, the flys could not tell the difference between male and female. They were attracted to both.

On one side of things we have people who believe that man and woman belong to one another. You need a man and a woman to procreate etc. This is all well and good, but evolution is a wonderful thing. Who's to say that mans destiny is not to control his population by limiting the number of natural conceptions.

Other people say it's not normal. I can define normal for you. It's usualy one of two things:

Majority or Preference

Being hetrosexual is concidered normal because it's Majority.
Being slim is concidered normal because it is Preference (don't flame me for that, I'm not actually that slim myself but this is sort of true.)

Evolution makes certain abnormalities pop up. Now, sometimes it's not for that species/race's benefit (i.e. the Giant Elk now extinct) but you will not find any other species question the development of life on this planet.

You, a simple person, have an opinion. You think that homosexuals are wrong or not normal or whatever. That is your right to say so and it is wrong for anyone here to make you change your mind.
What I WILL say, is if you make such blatent remarks such as it's wrong to create homosexual only schools and the like, be prepared for people to chip in to tell you you're wrong. It doesn't stop there. A homosexuals only school (like Catholic only schools) would be there for the children, teacher, parent, community and economic benefit. Who are you to question something so delicate as the balance of social and perhaps educational benefits. The only people who do that are people who can see the bigger picture.

Back to whether homosexuality is a "genetic disease in the brain". From what I saw on the porgram, the answer is yes. Scans of people's brains (homosexuals and transexuals) showed developement not corrsponding with their physical sex. That was a fact.
Your comment about people choosing to be gay, well.. just go back to the normality explaination. If the majority of people were homosexual and you yourself were straight, would you be able to understand someone accusing you of actually choosing to be straight?

Are you able to choose how you feel? Do you choose to fancy women or is it built in. Do you like slim women, tall women, brunettes, green eyes.. women with large breasts?
When you see a woman in the street your brain tells you if you find that woman sexually appealing.

Most of the time men will go for a woman with round hips and an adequet sized chest because the primal parts of your brain are telling you she'd be good to bear your children.
Surely men who like women with small breasts and a more slender frame and defying the laws of nature just like homosexual? This is why I cannot stand it when people say "It's not natural". Since when did nature play a part in people's lives. I don't remember there being anything to do with online banking in Leviticus.

People are born a certain way, and sometimes it's such a big change from what we normally see that it strikes up something inside people.
You don't have to like them.
You don't have to sit next to them.
You don't have to lend them bus fare..
...but you SHOULD respect them.

Homosexuals will not take kindly to people who say they have a genetic disease, BUT if it is in built into their DNA to be that way, then there is nothing they can or should have to do about it to please other people.

Would you tell a person with MS to get up and walk cos their wheelchair is blocking the pavement? I think not.

No one is out to personally insult you, least of all homosexuals. They just want to live their lives and they should damn well be able to.

Freedom to live

Principa Discordia · Jul 01, 2005, 08:39 PM // 20:39

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Originally Posted by TheBigStunna

Ah to my other point, certian animals such as certain dogs are homosexual. It is proven that the only animals that enjoy sex are humans and dolphins. So do dogs that are homosexual like it because they like the other male dog? Or is it a genetic defect in their brain?

It's off-topic, but I'll only accept that no animals other than humans and dolphins enjoy sex when you provide evidence.

Prince Daniel · Jul 01, 2005, 08:41 PM // 20:41

Ok you want my reasons, fine. I feel this thread should never have been started btw.

I, me, myself do not feel comfortable with it. Its as simple as that,i cant explain why other then i dont think we were made for that purpose, our body was designed to reproduce not have gay sex. As i said before my problem is public affections or men jumping about screaming. Thats not the way it was or should be. I say we go back to the 1920s. Suit jackets and bowler hats

TheBigStunna · Jul 01, 2005, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by Mistress Eyahl

Actually I watched several documentaries on the issue. They were doing some tests with flys (pardon me if ANY of this offends anyone).
They were able to remove something in the body of the fly (DNA strand, gene.. whatever), and once they did, the flys could not tell the difference between male and female. They were attracted to both.

On one side of things we have people who believe that man and woman belong to one another. You need a man and a woman to procreate etc. This is all well and good, but evolution is a wonderful thing. Who's to say that mans destiny is not to control his population by limiting the number of natural conceptions.

Other people say it's not normal. I can define normal for you. It's usualy one of two things:

Majority or Preference

Being hetrosexual is concidered normal because it's Majority.
Being slim is concidered normal because it is Preference (don't flame me for that, I'm not actually that slim myself but this is sort of true.)

Evolution makes certain abnormalities pop up. Now, sometimes it's not for that species/race's benefit (i.e. the Giant Elk now extinct) but you will not find any other species question the development of life on this planet.

You, a simple person, have an opinion. You think that homosexuals are wrong or not normal or whatever. That is your right to say so and it is wrong for anyone here to make you change your mind.
What I WILL say, is if you make such blatent remarks such as it's wrong to create homosexual only schools and the like, be prepared for people to chip in to tell you you're wrong. It doesn't stop there. A homosexuals only school (like Catholic only schools) would be there for the children, teacher, parent, community and economic benefit. Who are you to question something so delicate as the balance of social and perhaps educational benefits. The only people who do that are people who can see the bigger picture.

Back to whether homosexuality is a "genetic disease in the brain". From what I saw on the porgram, the answer is yes. Scans of people's brains (homosexuals and transexuals) showed developement not corrsponding with their physical sex. That was a fact.
Your comment about people choosing to be gay, well.. just go back to the normality explaination. If the majority of people were homosexual and you yourself were straight, would you be able to understand someone accusing you of actually choosing to be straight?

Are you able to choose how you feel? Do you choose to fancy women or is it built in. Do you like slim women, tall women, brunettes, green eyes.. women with large breasts?
When you see a woman in the street your brain tells you if you find that woman sexually appealing.

Most of the time men will go for a woman with round hips and an adequet sized chest because the primal parts of your brain are telling you she'd be good to bear your children.
Surely men who like women with small breasts and a more slender frame and defying the laws of nature just like homosexual? This is why I cannot stand it when people say "It's not natural". Since when did nature play a part in people's lives. I don't remember there being anything to do with online banking in Leviticus.

People are born a certain way, and sometimes it's such a big change from what we normally see that it strikes up something inside people.
You don't have to like them.
You don't have to sit next to them.
You don't have to lend them bus fare..
...but you SHOULD respect them.

Homosexuals will not take kindly to people who say they have a genetic disease, BUT if it is in built into their DNA to be that way, then there is nothing they can or should have to do about it to please other people.

Would you tell a person with MS to get up and walk cos their wheelchair is blocking the pavement? I think not.

No one is out to personally insult you, least of all homosexuals. They just want to live their lives and they should damn well be able to.

Freedom to live

You keep talking about freedom but do we really follow the constituion to 100% exact? Like i said are we really allowed freedom of speech?

Serafita Kayin · Jul 01, 2005, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Dude, she's not from this country. Leave her alone.

Principa Discordia · Jul 01, 2005, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by TheBigStunna

Not every one follows the bible but most people that reside in the world take up catholic/christian beliefs more then any other religion. In the world and in catholic/christianism homosexuality is wrong and it is sodom and gamora.

As someone else pointed out, one part of the Bible forbids clothes woven from one type of cloth. The Bible forbids a lot of things, I have no doubt in my mind that you've done at least one thing the Bible forbids.

I'm sorry, but the Bible is an entirely moot point here. This is about law and rights.

TheBigStunna · Jul 01, 2005, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

It's off-topic, but I'll only accept that no animals other than humans and dolphins enjoy sex when you provide evidence.

Scientist proved only humans and dolphins enjoy sex. Other animals do it such as dogs cats ect to procreate.

Mistress Eyahl · Jul 01, 2005, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by Principa Discordia

It's off-topic, but I'll only accept that no animals other than humans and dolphins enjoy sex when you provide evidence.

As far as I know this is true. As told by David Attenborough. Animals like chimps use it to form rank in their groups. Dolphins do it for pleasure.

And there are plenty of species that have practised homosexuality.